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I
am looking for any relatives of Gerald William Burdett. I am his
daughter Deborah Kaye Burdett. I was born in North Carolina to Patty
Ellis And Gerald Burdett in 1975 along with my 3 other brothers
and sisters. My dad worked for a carnival and wasn't married to
my mom (legally) - his family came from Ohio originally. Is there
any relation that you know of? Any help would be appreciated. The
only thing I know is that he had a sister named Gloria. WHY
WE NEVER HAD AN UNCLE WILLIAM
William & Simon's Parents THE SEARCH FOR WILLIAM ARCHIE BURDETT
William was born in 1881 so that means that when he left Nellie and came to Ohio, in 1938, he was 57 years old. I said in the other article that he was in his thirties. That was certainly wrong. Sorry. He possibly could have sired more children if he married a younger woman. When he showed up at Uncle Carl's in 1952, he was 71 years old. The Wm. I found in Oregon had a birthdate of 6/2/1879. That's only a two year discrepancy. If this is our Wm., he may have known that he didn't have long, so that may have been why he came visiting. Another thing, I don't think William knew his correct birthdate because they fudged on it. It's strange that this death certificate says he was born in McMinnville, Oregon, but his parents were unknown. Something funny going on here. Later BS 1-15-03 Sounds great too me. I'm sure most would be happy to help and maybe even be delighted in being asked to join in the hunt. I think it's worth a try. He's got to have a death certificate somewhere in some state. Even if he went over board from a ship, there would be a record of it somewhere. The ship captain would have to have a record of it. Ancestry.com is giving me fits. They want all these mega bucks to allow access to a lot of different records, some that might help. That's on top of what I'm already paying. It's 99.00 just to look at some old newspapers. It's getting to be more than I care to spend. I'll keep looking but some help sure would be nice. lol later BARB 1-12-03 I know how you feel. I won't be able to do much more research before warm weather. Got to do some traveling and it's too nasty out. Today, it was 12 deg. outside when I went to church. I'm not opposed to not having the site updated every day. As far as I'm concerned, one a week is enough unless something fantastic comes up. It only takes a minute to check it out and if there is nothing new, we can just go elsewhere. We need to enlist all the relatives in the "Wm. search" We got them in practically every state. Have we got anyone in Oregon, around Minnville? That's just a little burg and I don't think they have any records department. Some one from Oregon might know, tho. Just a thought. Enjoy yourself. Luv BARB 1-12-03 1-10-03 What a discovery. Are you going to list Grandpa? This is a great link to put on our site. I have noticed that when I'm working with the detective program on my computer I find little bits of information at a time, and next time I will find a little bit more. If I have a project going I print everything I find and keep a file on it. V Check out
www.burdett-history.freeserve.co.uk/encyclop.html You'll enjoy it,
I guarantee it. luv Barb 1-10-03 1-5-03 Will make every effort. I had thought that the Oregon birth place bore checking out; maybe he lived there (if he's our ol' William) at one time and so gave that as his beginning if he wanted to cut off everything before that. Even if he is not "ours" he may be a relative. Will try to get the documents pertaining to his nuclear family online ASAP. Also, I will save all of your reconstruction from memory & research, and maybe we will be able to put him back together. V 1-5-03 I
got so excited about Wm. that I plumb forgot the reasonable thought
process. After I sat down and thought things out, I think I got
it straightened out in my head. William was here when I was 3 mo.
old. Those were the pictures you published. He was also here when
I was 3 yrs. old. (without Nellie) That would have been in 1938.
Pat was born in Dec. of 37. Wm. came in the Spring or Summer of
38. That's when him and dad got into it and he left. I think that's
when he headed for California. Grandma Nellie came to Ohio every
summer from 1939 to 1947 and William was gone all those years. We
went to Florida in 1947 and came back in l948. I find it very curious
that this Wm.'s birthyear is so close and that his parents information
was unattainable on the Washington death certificate. This Cert.
says he was born in McMinnville, Oregon. Can you check that out
and maybe get a birth certificate? I checked out the McMinnville
website but can't get any of this kind of information from it. It's
strictly a PR site. later, Barb I
wouldn't take too much stock in that death certificate as a definite
NO. That man was in his early to mid thirties when he flew the coop.
He had plenty of time for another wife (or wives) and a whole lot
more kids. He was a stud, you know. He also had to apply for a Social
security card and they didn't have to have birth certificates. The
information was sent to the Soc. Sec. Dept and they didnt' ask questions
as to whether the info was correct. William never knew what his
correct birthday was and he probably gave a wrong one anyhow, to
anyone you needed it. He may have hedged two years just to keep
his anonymity. Emily could have been a wife or a daughter. We need
to find her. She probably has photos. Send me a copy of that death
certificate.later luv Barb1-3-03 1-3-03 Will do. I have to buy a new ink cartridge for my printer today, so I will copy & mail probably tomorrow. When I received that envelope it resembled State of Washington mail I have gotten for years, so I assumed it was something to do with my former job, maybe a W-2, and I just threw it into the first-of-the-month stack to deal with later. (Why I would assume a W-2 arrived in December I don't know, but go figure....)...Hey, where IS my head. I can scan & mail. Will follow up with a hard copy tomorrow. V 12-21-02 Dear Barb, No word back on William's death certificate. I hope that the delay is just due to the Christmas slow down in the mail. They did debit my account for the cost of the certificate. If all else fails I will make some trips to check this out. Wouldn't that be just the icing on the cake of this entire project? Gerald George's family was a big triumph of yours, and the discovery of William's final resting place would be even bigger for you. Every day I want to just slap that post office for not having that certificate. v Dec 11,
2002 - It was so good to hear from you and to get going on this
lead. I called the vital records dept in Olympia and ordered a death
certificate for this particular William. It's going to be a real
shock if the Washington State family members have been so close
to his remains. MORE MEMORIES OF GRANDPA WILLIAM BURDETT by Lois Smith Miller Someone needs to check on Sir Francis Burdett. I used to have a set of encyclopedias written in 1898 that General gave me. According to Grandma and Mama, Grandpa was related to him (Sir Francis). He had a large estate, and Grandma Nellie thought Grandpa Burdett had hopped a ship (according to Uncle Gerald) to see if he could get his inheritance. There’s more to the story about him hopping the ship. He jumped or fell off. I can’t remember. Maybe Jerry knows something about this. But all of the Burdetts claim they have heard of an inheritance in England. If we could find a way to get in the English birth records or court records concerning the will of this person we might find out some things about the Burdetts. Either Grandpa W. Burdett’s grandparents or parents came from England to America. According to Grandma Nellie and Aunt Viola, the Bryants were considered wealthy, but the Burdetts were the wealthiest. Maybe Uncle Charlie Bryant’s grandsons or Uncle John Bryant’s grandson know. I asked Aunt Viola and Mama (Isabelle Burdett Smith) what happened to Grandma and Grandpa W’s inheritance. They both told me that G&G had so many children to take care of, and they wasted it also. Aunt Viola said they spent what they had left coming to Florida, and the hurricane wiped them out. Grandma (Nellie) told me that Grandpa "had a lot of money invested in the motor he invented," and the man who stole it took the monetary hopes. Aunt Elvie (Elva Bryant) took Mama and me to the Terry Hill Cemetery. She took me up to Morral and Marion and Marseilles. She took us to Grandpa Burdett’s garage. It was a brick 2 story. I think it was in Marion. I’m not sure. They had lived in a two story wood house, but it had been torn down. This was in 1985 when we were there. Aunt Elvie said Grandpa rented the top to some newspaper. I took a picture of it, but it didn’t come out. It was a nice building. From the way Grandma talked to me I think she would have liked to see him when she found out he was at Uncle Ed Bryant’s in Ohio. She told me it was a secret, but she was making plans to go see him and take me with her. But he left, so she didn’t go. I was 3 or 4 years old when he left. He was always good to me. Mama said he would take me with him when he went to the mission on Franklin St., and he would be gone most of the day and fill me up with candy. She would be up with me because the candy made me sick. Outside of the last incident I don’t guess I remember anything bad except the time Mama knocked him down the stairs. Anyway, I loved him and always wanted to see him again. Uncle Bud (Arthur Bryant Burdett, youngest child of Nellie and William) said he liked babies and small children, and he was always good to Uncle Bud and Aunt Billie. Grandpa and Grandma had a piano. Grandma played it sometimes, and started teaching aunt Viola. After three lessons Aunt Viola started playing on her own. She got to where she could play anything. Anyway, when Grandpa came home he would sit in a chair and rest his long legs on the piano. One day he was sitting there, and he got up and played music. Grandma and Mama said it was beautiful, but he never played the piano again. I remember his long legs because I used to walk behind him and try to walk like he did. Ha ha.
I got a laugh out of a sentence in the Burdett section (of Bryburcon.com) concerning Simon and William Burdett. The older people of today (now) say people didn’t do things back then like they do now. But according to page #4, "On January 19, 1881, old Simon married Louisa Oswald." On July 31 the twins were born. Evidently they were six-month babies. I’ll let you decide. How do you like my computer? (handwritten manuscript). It works pretty well. It got old and doesn’t write as good as it used to. (Ed Note: As I recall, the Burdett Aunts told me that William & Simon had an older brother who carried the Oswalt or Oswald name; evidently the out-of-wedlock child Simon & Maria Louisa had. Barb Burdett S. & I already did a time study on the twins' birthday compared with the marriage date. Interesting that all of us "girls" picked these interesting facts out of the old records...and they say girls are more often "math challenged" than boys are... Not only were they six-month babies, check their birth dates on later records. THEY WERE LISTED AS HAVING BEEN BORN IN DECEMBER, NOT JULY...tsk tsk..More than likely even the twins didn't know that their birth date had been altered...PS, I am enchanted by what your computer is composing...Virginia) SIR FRANCIS BURDETT by Barb Burdett S. I
think you have the right person. I came across some information
in my genealogy wanderings that confirmed that our Burdett Immigrants
came from Leicester, England. I didn't say anything much about it
because I did not have much proof. I've known for a long time about
the booty that William was bound and determined to retrieve. It
all came out one time at a family round table at a Bryant reunion.
Then one time at Phillips a long time ago, the aunts got to talking
about it. That's when I found out about the English maid coming
over here to take care of Old Simons sick wife, and him getting
her pregnant. She was the Uswaite, Uswalth, Oswald. When the wife
died, Simon married her. He had so many kids, from so many wives
that he got sick and tired of it one day and went to the barn and
hung himself from the rafters. MEMORIES OF GRANDPA WILLIAM BURDETT A CONVERSATION WITH LOIS SMITH MILLER 1-26-02 Grandpa had hurt his back, and he was in pain a lot. Mama (Isabelle Burdett Smith) told me that was what made him so ill natured. All those kids were too much…that was the problem between him and Grandma (Nellie Bryant Burdett) – all those kids. I was three when this happened: He and Grandma had gotten into an argument. He got ahold of Grandma and started choking her. Mama got a broom and started hitting him with the broom stick. He ran into the bathroom. He was building a shower in the bathroom, and the roof was open. He went up through a hole to the roof. I’ll never forget it as long as I live. I loved my grandpa as much as I loved Grandma. He was always good to me. He took me places with him and was like a daddy to me. Aunt Billie and Uncle Pete were dating, and I think they were engaged. Aunt Billie called Uncle Pete, and he came out because he was a policeman. Grandpa went out onto the roof and went to the front of the house. I remember just crying. Uncle Pete talked him into coming down to the ground. I was about three then, and I’m upset now just talking about this. It hurts my feelings because he didn’t come back. Uncle Pete arrested him and took him off in a police car. I never did see him again, but Grandma told me they put him in Chattahoochee (the state mental hospital), and he was there about nine or ten months. Mama said Grandma went up there because he wrote her a letter and told her if she would get him out he would never bother her again. So she went and signed papers to get him out. She asked him to come home, but he said he was going to Ohio to settle down. He didn’t say he would let her know or what as far as I know. If he did, Mama or Grandma didn’t tell me. Grandpa left Florida and went to Uncle Gerald’s. (I don’t know where, maybe it was California. I was too young to remember except what I heard.) The Burdetts had an estate in England that came from Sir Francis Burdett. Grandpa was going to England (I think he told Uncle Gerald, and Uncle Gerald wrote to Grandma.) and he was going to England to claim his estate. I heard Grandma and Mama talking; they wouldn’t let me talk, so I just listened. I think Uncle Gerald said he fell off the freighter. To the best I know somebody told him. He didn’t die from falling off the freighter, and he must have been rescued and brought back to California. He went to Uncle Ed Bryant’s in Ohio. I was about eleven because I know it was before I went to Ohio when I was twelve. Uncle Ed said he had a big long beard and long hair. He told him he had been living as a recluse in the Arkansas mountains. After he got back to California he started walking and then lived in Arkansas. I understand he went to see Uncle Austin after he was living with Uncle Ed, and he and Uncle Austin got into an argument. When Grandma and I went to see Uncle Austin he said he and Grandpa had an argument, and he told him to get out, and he went back to Uncle Ed’s. One day Uncle Ed and his wife (I’m not sure of her name) went into town. When they got back he had taken his clothes and left, and nobody saw him again. He had been talking about going back to Florida. I don’t guess anybody loved him but me. Mama hit him with the broom and knocked him down the stairs. Uncle Bud said he was good to me, Aunt Billie and him (Bud), that he was crazy about the three of us. Last time I was up in Ohio Uncle Bud said, "All those things my sisters talk about him I don’t remember." Uncle Bud said when he (Bud) left Florida and went to Uncle John’s, "I didn’t have time to fool with the family." Grandpa had a garage, I believe in Marion (Maybe Barb can look it up in the records). It was a two-story garage. He rented the upstairs to a newspaper. Aunt Elvie (Elva Bryant) took us there. The garage was like new. It’s either in Marsailles or Marion on a little short street. Editor : Could this be the Sir Francis Burdett? (Copy & paste address in URL "address" field at top of page) http://www.law.utexas.edu/lpop/etext/newgate5/burdett.htm
From what I can piece together from the information we gathered at the Kenton courthouse the other day, Old Simon was married first to a Mary Williams sometime prior to 1854. She was born in Rochester, NY. She was the mother of Eliza Jane Burdett Winebrenner. Eliza was born in 1854 so the marriage was sometime prior to that. I am assuming that fact. He then married Mary E. Hostler on Sept. 30, l873. I don't know about any kids or what happened to Mary. On Jan. 19, 1881, he married Louisa Oswald. On July 31 of that year, the twins were born. There were a lot of other Burdetts, but no names that were familiar. Probably a different branch. I'm sure Old Simon had brothers but I don't know who they are or where they are. That's all I have right now. You will be receiving another "Manila" just as soon as I can get around to it. I think you'll like this one too. I need to take some more pictures of something or other so I can get the ones I want developed. Last time I had the roll developed with 8 left to take....BARBARA B SLAUGHTERBECK 8-29-01 I am forwarding a photo of Nellie Rose Young Burdett. She was Simon's wife and my grgrandmother. I think the pin she has on is a picture of her mother, Adeline Harris??? Not sure. Also, the identities of the group photo are as follows: Back row l-r: Blanche & Bob Burdett, Ivan & Alta Burdett, Helen & William Peirce with Gerald Burdett behind them. Next: Richard Burdett, Shirley & Donald Burdett, Gene Parcell (sp?) holding dog. In Middle: Rose Peirce, Mary, Bill Parcell. Sitting on floor: Sally, Edgar & Bill Peirce. Please post this on the site when you get time. Thanks again! Tammy Vaughn 8-15-01 This
is from Judy Peirce. Judy Peirce, Thanks for the data on your family. I will add your listing to our directory. It is being revised and will be available by the time of the November 11th reunion in Tampa. Hopefully, you can add this event to your calendar and attend. By that time you will probably know a great deal about this side of the family. You will be receiving more information about the location of the reunion. I understand Barbara has been in touch with you and has provided you with a lot of history about Simon Burdett's family. Barbara's sister, Pat, and also our Uncle Arthur and his daughter, Linda, also lives in Fostoria. (Simon's grandson) Donald & Shirley Burdett live in New Carlisle, OH. I have no idea how far these locations are from Alger where you live. Love & Peace Philip DuBose 7-26-01 Hi Paul Philip DuBose! Ed (Edgar) and I were so thrilled to get your e-mail! We have also enjoyed the web site. Ed and I have been married 33 years today! We met on a "blind date". We have 2 children, Lisa and Mike, and 3 grandchildren. Edgar Raymond Peirce birthdate is January 15, 1944 (Patterson, OH) Judith Kay Williams Peirce birthdate is July 23, 1950 (Alger, OH) Marriage- July 26, 1968 (Patterson, Oh) Would very much like to get the family roster. Ed has Simon's cemetery deed, a picture of Simon, and a picture of Alice and Helen. When is the reunion in Tampa? We last saw Gerald and Donald at their Mother's funeral in Forest, Oh...Edgar and Judy Peirce...7-27-01 Simon A. Burdett IV and William Archibald Burdett were born to Simon Burdett III and Louisa Uswalth (Oswald) on July 31, 1881 in Harden County, Ohio. Simon was a farmer, grainery owner and owned a machine shop. He died in 1955 at Patterson, Ohio at age 73. Simon married Nellie Rose Young b.1884 and she died in 1939. Simon and Nellie Rose had 5 children. Ivan Lawrence, b. 2/16/1905 at Forest, Ohio. Married to Alta May Musgrave, b. 8/30/1907. Ivan died 7/10/1989 in Bellefontaine, Ohio at age 84. He was an electrician. Alta May died 1/7/1998 at age 90. Ivan had 2 sons. Gerald Leroy and Donald James. Gerald lives in Edgewater, Md. I am in contact with him but have never asked him about his brother Donald. Robert Arthur, b. 8/30/1906 in Harden Cty, Ohio. Married Blanche Adaline Musgrave, b. 3/6/1911 in Wyandot County, Ohio. Robert died 7/4/1994 at Forest, Ohio. At age 87. He was a mechanic. Blanche died at age 89. Alice M. b. 9/18/1911 in Harden County, Ohio. Alice was in college and died 3/7/1933 of TB. She was 21 years of age. Helen L. b.10/6/1919 in Harden County, Ohio. Married William D. Peirce on 12/25.1938. William died 10/25/1966. Helen died 6/2/1995 at Bucyrus, Ohio at age 75. Helen retired as an Electrical Tech. at Budd Co. Helen had 4 children. Rose Marie, Edgar R., William D. and Sally. You must be this Edgar. Right???? Richard Albert made his home in Custer, Wash. And died there in 1985. His wife's name was Steina and they married in 1959. He was a postal worker, Commercial Fisherman and a Truck Driver. Little else is known at this time. Records of any children are unknown. William Archibald Burdett, Simons twin, was my Grandfather. My father was his third child, Austin. As Phillip said, there were 12 of them. The web site will fill you in on the whole clan. He disappeared years ago and I have not been able to trace him. It's like he disappeared from the face of the earth. I was told recently that he left Tampa on a merchant ship, got into a fight and some guy threw him overboard. Wouldn't surprise me one bit but what that is the truth. This was in the 1940's. This is about all I can tell you right now. I do have a copy of Simon's last will and testament. It is rather interesting. I'm curious as to what you will think of all this. Let me know. Barb Richard was the youngest. He lived in Custar, Washington, and died there in 1985. His wife's name was Steina. I don't know if that was the first name or the maiden name. They married in 1959. He was a Postal worker, Commercial Fisherman and a Truck driver. Little else is known as far as I know. There are no records of children. It sounds to me like he was a chip off the old Wm. Archibald block. I have this whole Simon history, if you'd like, I'll e-mail it to you. luv BARB 7-26-01 I received an e-mail from Judy Peirce yesterday, telling me that she and her husband wanted to come over here next weekend if it was OK. I told her "I'd be happy to have them". I gave her times and directions and in an e-mail today, she asked if 2 pm on Saturday would be alright. I told her yes so I expect them then. She said they were going to stop at the Findlay Library and look up the Obit's for Nellie & Simon. She told me last week that she had an old photo of Uncle Simon and one of Helen. I let her know that I sure would like to see those photos, so maybe she will bring them. If She does I'll copy them and you will get your picture of Uncle Simon. I am having problems finding anything on Simon and Wms. Dad (also a Simon) I found two Simons in Harden county in an 1850 census today. Don't know whether it is one Simon or two. If it's 2 it has to be father and son. The Stein pictures came out pretty good. They are beautiful pieces of art. Later Luv BARB HI.
I'm up and running again. Uncle Simon's Grandson, Edgar and his Uswaithe, Uswalth, Uswald, Oswald........all the same That original spelling is definitely not English. Chances are she came from Germany or Austria or somewhere in that neighborhood. Those ships all sailed from England so that's where she would have had to go to get on one. They did a lot of that back then. They sent young girls over here to be household servants. They were called "indentured" servants. They had to stay a specified length of time to pay back what it cost to get them here. The parents got a little kick-back and the receiver paid the shipping fee. In England at that time, there were two classes of people. The very very rich and the very very poor. With all those long cold dreary days and nights and no method of contraception, people had big families that they couldn't feed. So they sold some of them. Barb 2-17-02 (Ed Note: One wonders if this is where William's blonde hair and blue eyes came from...)
Simon Burdett, twin brother of William
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